This week's poker has been up small and down small. Total net loss around $30. While this does not represent much money, less than the normal tournament buy-in, it is still very disappointing for the number of hours, 16, that were played. The game Sunday was a donk fest, with almost a full table seeing every flop, and several "river" players who would chase any draw all the way. One could argue that the pot size justifies the odds, and that is true to some extent. However, doing it every time invites disaster to your chip stack as you cannot catch lucky often enough. They just never seem to learn this.
Watching the big plo table next door was grateful for the small chip losses and minor swings. One player lost a $5000 pot with over $2,000 of his own money in it. He immediately reloaded for another $1500, then tripled that stack, much of it coming from the 1st guy he lost to. Guys that had several thousand in front of them left broke.
Another subject. Push-pull. Sometimes in my omaha game I want to pull players in by calling. Others times it is better to push them out of the hand by raising. Examples of this include calling while on a draw or with a monster made hand. Yesterday I flopped the nut full house playing 8/8 on a flop of 6/6/8. Obviously when the first player bet he either had a 6 or was representing it, or had a low draw. The straight draw may call as will a variety of low draws. I was in mid-late position (hijack). With a caller or two and 2 more players in position I wanted to encourage all draws to enter. It could be argued that I should raise here but with the bets at $4 wanted to wait for turn and the $8 bet to raise. Sure enough the original bettor continued, and with a small card brought in the lows. My raise was called in multiple spots and the river bet by me was called in at least two places. It was a nice big 1/2 pot.
À situation often arises when two players hit the nut straight on the turn. What nearly always happens is a ramming and jamming with sometimes multiple players calling a capped pot with sets and two pair hands, sometimes also flush, redraw to higher straights, and low draws. This is a classic scary, big, potential suck out pot that is push,push, push. Imagine this flop.
7h,8h,9c
Here are the players hands:
Player 1, 9h,10h,Js,Kh he "only" has a pair of 9's, but look at his redraw potential, straight flush, king high straight, 2ND nut flush draw.
Player 2, 5h,6h, Ac, 2c. Interesting. He has a made straight on the "dumb end", nut low draw, open ended straight flush draw, backdoor nut flush draw in clubs. He also loves this flop and will call any bets to the river.
Player 3, Ah, 3h, 10h, Js. Made nut straight, "nut" heart flush draw, 2nd nut low draw. He is also river bound.
Player 4, 7s, 7c,8c, 9d. Interesting as well with bottom set, backdoor straight flush plus two over pairs. What could possibly go wrong?
It is possible for other players to have oversets, over pairs, nut low draws, and higher straight re-draws. What a landmine field to walk through!!! Yet, this scenario happens time after time in Omaha games with the losing players folding their sets and low draws in disgust. No wonder we describe it as the game we love to hate.
I will often see players jamming this flop as it is usually proper to make the draws pay dearly. We know that despite our efforts to thin the field that it never works. Nut flopped straights seldom win in this game and cost a bunch. Much better to have re-draws to fall back on.
Watching the big plo table next door was grateful for the small chip losses and minor swings. One player lost a $5000 pot with over $2,000 of his own money in it. He immediately reloaded for another $1500, then tripled that stack, much of it coming from the 1st guy he lost to. Guys that had several thousand in front of them left broke.
Another subject. Push-pull. Sometimes in my omaha game I want to pull players in by calling. Others times it is better to push them out of the hand by raising. Examples of this include calling while on a draw or with a monster made hand. Yesterday I flopped the nut full house playing 8/8 on a flop of 6/6/8. Obviously when the first player bet he either had a 6 or was representing it, or had a low draw. The straight draw may call as will a variety of low draws. I was in mid-late position (hijack). With a caller or two and 2 more players in position I wanted to encourage all draws to enter. It could be argued that I should raise here but with the bets at $4 wanted to wait for turn and the $8 bet to raise. Sure enough the original bettor continued, and with a small card brought in the lows. My raise was called in multiple spots and the river bet by me was called in at least two places. It was a nice big 1/2 pot.
À situation often arises when two players hit the nut straight on the turn. What nearly always happens is a ramming and jamming with sometimes multiple players calling a capped pot with sets and two pair hands, sometimes also flush, redraw to higher straights, and low draws. This is a classic scary, big, potential suck out pot that is push,push, push. Imagine this flop.
7h,8h,9c
Here are the players hands:
Player 1, 9h,10h,Js,Kh he "only" has a pair of 9's, but look at his redraw potential, straight flush, king high straight, 2ND nut flush draw.
Player 2, 5h,6h, Ac, 2c. Interesting. He has a made straight on the "dumb end", nut low draw, open ended straight flush draw, backdoor nut flush draw in clubs. He also loves this flop and will call any bets to the river.
Player 3, Ah, 3h, 10h, Js. Made nut straight, "nut" heart flush draw, 2nd nut low draw. He is also river bound.
Player 4, 7s, 7c,8c, 9d. Interesting as well with bottom set, backdoor straight flush plus two over pairs. What could possibly go wrong?
It is possible for other players to have oversets, over pairs, nut low draws, and higher straight re-draws. What a landmine field to walk through!!! Yet, this scenario happens time after time in Omaha games with the losing players folding their sets and low draws in disgust. No wonder we describe it as the game we love to hate.
I will often see players jamming this flop as it is usually proper to make the draws pay dearly. We know that despite our efforts to thin the field that it never works. Nut flopped straights seldom win in this game and cost a bunch. Much better to have re-draws to fall back on.
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I played some 3-6 Omaha at Jokers last Sunday. Now I remember why I don't play it that often LOL. It's definitely a roller coaster ride. I blew about $200 and I think I scooped one pot and got half another one. Geez. I'm glad you like it, but I think I will stick to what I know.
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